Comments on: Presentation publishing procedure changes for 2008 https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/ archived presentations 2006 - 2017 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:42:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Chris Betcher https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1993 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:42:58 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1993 Wes, how does embedding the Blip content into individual blogs stand?

Presumably if people use the provided embed code to place the presentation material onto their own blogs, wikis or Moodles, the usage stats will still be tracked at the Blip end?

Can you just confirm this for me?

And what’s the policy on embedding? Is it encouraged to spread the word? Or discouraged to centralise things.

Chris

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By: Wesley Fryer https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1992 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:36:02 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1992 I think it would be great to have open discussions about this Alec. As conveners we are continuing to share our work and thinking about about the conference in transparent ways to hopefully promote just these sorts of discussions.

It may be that it would make sense to change the content control model at some point for the conference. If we did, however, I’m thinking that would take place after the initial presentation “goes live,” since part of the conference buzz is having (during the regular conference) 4 new presentations publish each day.

It might be valuable to outline and consider benefits versus drawbacks of a decentralized content sharing model. There may be ways to assess participation metrics other than file accesses. And, the value participation metrics may be outweighed by the benefit of a decentralized content sharing model. I think this is an excellent conversation to have.

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By: Alec Couros https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1991 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:23:43 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1991 Wes, I have no doubt of the tremendous work that would go into an important online conference like this. And of course, I know that those presenting have put in many hours as well. I was asking because my understanding was that the conference had no official sources of funding. I am not debating the hard work or arguing the point of the value of metrics, but once I saw the ‘need’ I (rightly) assumed it was tied to some sort of funding model. Thanks for clarifying that there is a desire to find funding for the conference, and I hope that your attempts are successful. I would add that it is important to me, as a contributor, that this be made explicit (as you have done so). Understanding the organization and organizational objectives of any institution, journal, or conference that I contribute to is important to me as one who believes in openness, transparency, and non-commercial uses of the content I create. And, I guess I won’t even get into decentralized vs. centralized content …

I hope that there will be possibilities in the future to talk about some of these issues in more detail.

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By: Wesley Fryer https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1990 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:52:53 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1990 That contradiction is why we are explaining our request to not mirror presentations. According to the licensing terms people certainly could mirror presentations. However, because of what I’ve attempted to articulate here, we politely discourage mirroring so we can compile more accurate access statistics.

We are confident providing our files via W&M and temporarily via Blip will provide sufficient bandwidth for downloads. At some point we may look at other options (I’ve considered suggeesting Akamai) but at this point for the participation levels we have, our publishing options appear to be sufficient to meet bandwidth demands.

Your feedback and that of others on these and other issues will, of course, be valued and helpful as we look at these issues now and down the road.

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By: Wesley Fryer https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1989 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:47:38 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1989 Alex: All work for the conference has been done entirely by volunteers. At some point I certainly hope we’ll be able to find some compensation for some of the people who make this possible. It’s a ton of work and a HUGE sacrifice to our families… We did apply for a MacArthur Foundation grant last year but were not selected. I hope we’ll try for other funding sources next year.

There is tension between having boundaries and limits for the conference and wanting things to be open, creative and dynamic. We do want to be able to tell the story of the conference, and part of that involves participation. We estimate 50,000 people participated in 2006 and 100,000 in 2007. Will 200,000 participate in 2008? I don’t know. I hope the growth pattern continues. If we don’t compile server stats, however, we can’t make those types of estimates as reliably.

Success for the conference certainly goes way behind total numbers of participants, however. For me, seeing and hearing about the personal connections which happen as a result of the conference and the classroom projects which impact student learning are the most exciting. We don’t have elaborate metrics to capture and assess all the things happening in and around the conference, but we do want to have some documentation. I think this helps communicate the value and reach of the conference, which can be important when discussing things like participation value and professional development credit.

Can anyone else chime in with reasons why it’s a good idea to try and compile participation statistics for the conference?

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By: Alec Couros https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1988 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:45:46 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1988 And I guess I just noticed one more thing:

“Content in presentations for the 2008 conference is explicitly licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. For the reason just mentioned, however, file mirroring is discouraged during and following the conference.”

I understand what you are asking, but I find the latter restriction contradictory to a CC/ATT/NC license, especially following the conference.

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By: Alec Couros https://k12onlineconference.org/2008/10/12/presentation-publishing-procedure-changes-for-2008/#comment-1987 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:39:08 +0000 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=282#comment-1987 I have been using Blip for some time now, and it’s a great service.

One of your sentences has me curious – “Because of our need and desire to compile server access statistics” … I understand the desire, but why the need? I could see the need if this conference was tied to funding, but I didn’t think it was.

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